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winnie




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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:35 pm  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

coach,

i have a problem with my thumb, i dont know if its too lose or tight but it just keeps on catching everytime especially if i remove my wrister.

do you think it´s better if i just make the holes bigger so it will give me confidence everytime i throw my ball?

when i put powder, i can release the ball easily but i don´t want to use powder everytime i throw my ball.

what should i do? hope u could help me.
thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 1:54 pm  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

you are gripping the ball as you are about to release it. the thumb should be used as a guide. the pressure should be more on the fingers. the thumb needs to come out first then the fingers as you release the ball. make sure that the weight of the ball shifts toward the finger holes on the downswing just as you release the ball. the thumb should be relaxed .
hope this helps, but it is easier to explain this in person.
as always, angelo can help you as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:12 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

hi winnie,

blackcloud is right.

there are also many factors that can affect the release of your thumb, first i have to check your span and pitches, sometimes if the span is too long or stretched, release of your thumb is much delayed than the relaxed fit, more reverse pitch can be also done. Please feel free to visit the pro shop so we could you check your specs. You can also try the kneel down drill - kneel with your right leg(for RH) and throw the ball without lofting it, this can help you learn to relax your hands during release. Wrister can also help release your ball properly, try using mechatecter style wristers.

Hope this helps.....

angelo


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:53 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

Hi Winnie,

What caught my attention is the fact that you stick even more without the wrister. I would assume that without the wrister, your wrist breaks back more than usual making your thumb point downward.

Two things happen: Your thumb will instinctively grip the ball at the downswing, usually in a bent manner. The second thing is that as the ball reaches the release point, the thumb is not pointed forward to facilitate good thumb slide. It is pointed downward, jamming your thumb in the hole.

It could be other factors though such as pitch and size. Goodluck.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:37 pm  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

this is usually something that needs to be corrected in person. unless we actually see it, everything that we just mentioned is nothing but theory. the lady needs to see the MAN (angelo) and have him solve that thumb problem . and that should go with any of you bowlers who bowl at playdium as well. it doesn´t have to be a thumb issue but it can be a problem with your technique, etc.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:21 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

I think that you should have the thumb hole looked at by Coach Angelo.

There are different kinds of thumb behavior. Some people´s thumbs get larger as they play, or if the alley temperature is high. Some others´ thumbs, like mine, actually shrink as I play. When I throw the ball the first few times, my thumb barely fits the hole. After a while, it stabilizes and I can play normally.

In my case, the thumb hole has to be just right, as I have a tendency to bend my thumb inside the hole. A very loose thumb hole will aggravate this problem. I solved it by using a gripping aid on the inner side of the thumb hole (the side nearer the fingers) and quick release teflon tape on the outer side. Some bowlers use the quick release tape on their thumbs. It seems quite popular among the better players in Playdium, Coach Angelo included.

Hope this helps.



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:27 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

Blackcloud is right. A thumb problem has so many factors you´ll need it seen in person by someone who really knows about it. I believe Coach Angelo would be more than willing to help.

Another point of concern would be the thumb hole pitch. Based on my own experience, reverse pitch tends to tense up my thumb. I have to consciously grip the ball. With a forward pitch, even with my thumb relax, my thumb doesn´t slip out throughout the swing.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:19 pm  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

too loose a thumb hole is no good, right guys? your ball will always drop. go see a professional ball driller, he is the one who can help. it´s a trial and error thing. your correct sizes, pitches and other measurements varies with time. so be sure to visit a pro shop regularly whenever you feel uncomfortable.
ask around for someone who is reputable and do try them all, you´ll see who best suit your fit.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:33 pm  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

thanks so much for all the tips, i think i have to visit the proshop asap. is it better if use thumb inserts for my thumbhole? will it help? what´s the difference?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:41 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

Winnie

If you have a polyester ball and it is the only one you have (no reactive ball yet), you do not need the plastic thumb slug or insert as you call it. Polyester balls have smooth internals which are not sticky like those in reactives.

However, two things to be said:

1. If you have a reactive ball or when you get one, which needs the thumb slug, I would recommend that you have a thumb slug installed in the polyester ball so that the two balls will have the same thumb "feel".

2. If you do not have a thumb slug in your polyester ball yet and it is found that the existing hole is too big for your thumb, a thumb slug is a cheaper way to correct the problem compared to a plug and rebore.

I have benefitted from both of the above. Hope this helps further.



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:32 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

thumbslug is smoother makes your release quicker than without, there are many kinds of thumbslugs but most common is urethane and vinyl, urethane is very smooth especially when wet sanded and vinyl is much softer giving better grip to those with sweaty hands. for those people who are really sensitive in thumb feel, i suggest using switch grip, much expensive but it s worth it.





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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:21 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

Coach,

Check ko lang kung urethane or vinyl ung mga gamit kong thumbslugs.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:26 am  Post subject: thumb problem Reply with quote

Winnie -

Last note on thumbslugs. If you do not have one yet and your span is found to be slightly short or long, say, by 1/8", the thumbslug is a great way to correct the error. Since the diameter of the slug is surely larger than the existing thumbhole, the slug can be positioned offset inside or out of the existing hole. My wife and I have both benefitted from this maneuver also.



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